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« on: October 16, 2006, 11:32:39 AM »
Right, seeing as redtops came with 2 different ignition systems (with dizzy and dizzyless), if I got an engine with a dizzy would I need to change the front cam as well as the dizzy or not???
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2006, 11:37:56 AM »
Y would you want to change the ignition system?

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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2006, 11:39:46 AM »
Mine's dizzyless but I might be getting an engine with a dizzy so wouldn't I need to swap the systems over to get it to run in my car...?
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2006, 11:41:08 AM »
Yeah I believe the cam would actually need changing too.

I would of thought it'd be easier just to get the ECU and coil with the engine and fit the whole lot.

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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2006, 12:45:15 PM »
Ok, just been to look at the engine and there's no cambelt on it!!

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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2006, 13:31:48 PM »
Ok, just been to look at the engine and there's no cambelt on it!!

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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2006, 13:39:52 PM »
I was planning to dump it straight in the car with as little drama as possible... the guy selling it seems to be a big trader on MigWeb but even so...

This car's starting to get on my nerves now!!

Hopefully going to have a look at a J reg Redtop (full car) tomorrow that needs a clutch...
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2006, 16:43:26 PM »
Ok, been and had a natter with the mechanic who lives over the road and he's advised me to steer well clear of this cambelt-less engine! So I'm off to York tomorrow (hopefully) to inspect this J reg Calibra to see if it's worth getting and raping it for it's good bits!  ;D

God, are these cars really worth this much hassle?!
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2006, 16:48:07 PM »
I have 227K on mine mate and still runs as good as new so don't let the 135K put you off.

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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2006, 16:50:05 PM »
I have 227K on mine mate and still runs as good as new so don't let the 135K put you off.

 :o Wow!

Hopefully tomorrow will generate some good news for me!
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2006, 20:37:04 PM »
mine has done 160k and still goes strong.

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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2006, 15:51:43 PM »
I am now the proud (?) owner of a 1992 Cally Redtop!

It's painted in bronze metallic (same colour as Nige's Cally, I think), 131,000 miles, has a ludicrous spoiler on the bootlid (which won't be going on my car at all!), has a full Magnex stainless system on it, 17" wheels with Yokohamas all round and the sunroof works!!!

As it's been bought to rape for parts for mine, I think
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2006, 16:19:08 PM »
sounds like a good deal almost ashame to strip it or is it rotten

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2006, 16:38:09 PM »
sounds like a good deal almost ashame to strip it or is it rotten

My K reg is simply in far better condition all round. There's plenty of bits worth having on this J reg one so it makes more sense to me to transplant what I need and then get rid of the surplus.
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2006, 18:30:43 PM »
thats fair enough i suppose. i'm just one of these people that hate the thought of killing a car. but i've done it myself sometimes u just got to. plus the less of them there is the more rare our good ones become.

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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2006, 14:10:56 PM »
I'm considering swapping the heads on these two engines so I can use my coilpack ignition instead of the distributor type on the replacement motor. Also my head was fairly new last year (apparently)!

Is this worth doing or am I making work for myself here??

Also, would I need to get my head skimmed even though it hasn't overheated or blown it's gasket or anything?

Oh yeah, I appear to have a very thick drivebelt on my current Redtop (think it's to do with the PAS) but the motor out of this J reg doesn't have this belt as far as I recall - is it a simple job to just swap all the gubbins from my engine to the one going in?!

God, I sound like I know nothing at all here...!  :-[
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2006, 17:57:37 PM »
God, I sound like I know nothing at all here...!  :-[

'I know nuffink...' ;D

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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2006, 17:59:25 PM »
 :'(
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2006, 01:24:02 AM »
The Belts are unchangeable as the steering pump from a 92 onwards redtop (uses single multigroove belt) does not fit onto the pre 92 blocks (uses 2 belts) as they moved the bolt holes by 6 mm to the right.

With all the work you are going to do, it would be more straight forward to swap the engine and looms over.  You can leave the Gearbox in, quite easy too.

The exterior engine block casting is completely different so I just found out.

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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2006, 09:46:30 AM »
The engine that's in my car is a 1993 and the engine going in is a 1992 version...

This car's seriously starting to wind me up now!
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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2006, 10:11:39 AM »
I wouldn't bother mix n matching parts, you'll only end up with nothing. Swap the lot over.

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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2006, 10:19:35 AM »
How easy is the wiring loom to remove and refit then? You're probably one of the best people to answer this as you've just done it on your car, haven't you?
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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2006, 10:24:19 AM »
The wiring loom is really easy, u can't plug anything in where its not meant to go as all the sockets are different.

I've done it, it turns over, only problem I have is that I didnt connect up 3 connectors in the foot well and so its not powering the fuel pump but hopefully today I shall sort that.

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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2006, 10:26:25 AM »
Is the wiring loom for the engine/ECU seperate from the rest of the electrical system or will I have to swap EVERYTHING from the donor car to mine??
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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2006, 10:30:17 AM »
Yup its basically made up of three parts, 2 engine parts, and 1 loom for headlamps and other in car electrics.

All you have to do is pull the ECU through the bulk head and follow it, removing the plugs as you go a long, easy!

After that, behind the battery u'll see a big twist type socket, undo this and it will seperate the engine electrics from the car loom.

Thats pretty much all the wiring stuff done.


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« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2006, 10:33:12 AM »
Sounds do-able!

Right, next query then: when I checked this donor car out, there didn't seem to be much pressure in the radiator hoses when the engine was running and there was the smallest of small hints of white on the oil filler cap... do we think the head gasket's either gone or on it's way out or could it be because the car's been stood since around June...?
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« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2006, 10:35:47 AM »
thats probably just where the car has been sat for a long time. Can you not fire it up and take it for a drive?

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« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2006, 10:40:39 AM »
I've had it running but it's undrivable cos the clutch has gone. It's got 131,000 miles on it but it's not making any nasty smoke and it's pretty quiet too... oil pump works too cos it was spitting oil out when I had the filler cap off!

The white in the filler cap was a tiny tiny little wisp of it... wondered if it might just be condensation or not...

It seemed quite happy running and started first turn of the key despite being stood for so long. It was just the lack of pressure in the hoses that worried me a little bit...
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« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2006, 10:50:27 AM »
It'll be ok once its been getting used again.

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« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2006, 10:58:04 AM »
Looks like I'm swapping wiring looms over then!

Cheers Wayne, you've been a massive help! Consider yourself applauded!
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« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2006, 11:02:15 AM »
I don't think your head is porus. Like wayne says, the car's been sitting around for a while so it needs a bl**dy good run and clean out all those cobwebs :-)

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« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2006, 11:18:27 AM »
Hopefully I'll be able to give it the bloody good run it needs once I get the two engines swapped over... and change the timing belt too, of course!
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« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2006, 14:40:48 PM »
my cally turbo was off the road for 8/10 years before i full restored her to her glorry today, when i checked the oil cap i had slight mayo on the head and considered it wasnt much because its been stood for donkeys. best way to check for a porous head is to remove the water pipes and try and look down the pipes for oil remains, anyone can clean a header bottel out to clear oil remains. take a torch with u and remove a few hoses. even a good trash up the road would start to bring up oil to the header tank depending on how big the crack is.
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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2006, 22:01:52 PM »
If you think that your oil has been contaminated as a result of standing around for a long time (e.g. condensation in the oil), give the engine an oil change & preferably, flush out all traces of the old oil with flushing oil before you refill it with new oil.

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« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2006, 08:26:32 AM »
That's what I plan to do once I get the engines swapped over, mate. Timing belt's getting changed too as I have no idea of the history of this replacement engine.
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« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2006, 11:25:20 AM »
Do what I suggested or you may live to regret it.
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« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2006, 12:43:53 PM »
I'll hopefully be getting the donor car back here on Tuesday so I'm gonna have a proper look at everything about the engine then.

Fingers crossed that I may actually have my car running again by the end of this week!
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« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2006, 19:21:45 PM »
Sounds an intriging project you got there....good luck and keep us posted  ;)

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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2006, 12:40:03 PM »
You do need the cam as well for dizzy less. I've done it. My cambelt went so I got a head off a cav with a dizzy and had to put my exhaust cam in. this is because there is a hole on the end of the dizzy less cam to take the bracket for the hall effect sensor that replaces the dizzy.

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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2006, 18:43:29 PM »
As it stands at the moment, I'm not swapping the heads - just gonna transplant the wiring loom and ECU out of the donor car instead. Keeps life simple (and cheaper!)...
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« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2006, 23:06:30 PM »
duh, why go to the hassel of changing it.. when its easier to just replace the loom.
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« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2006, 12:19:29 PM »
All being well, my car should be back on it's wheels by Sunday!!!

The engines are getting swapped on Friday (hopefully) and then it's just a matter of reconnecting everything else back up and turning the key!

Can't bloody wait...!!!!!!
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« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2006, 14:14:18 PM »
All being well, my car should be back on it's wheels by Sunday!!!

What's it on at the moment?  It's roof? ;D

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« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2006, 15:54:31 PM »
All being well, my car should be back on it's wheels by Sunday!!!

What's it on at the moment?  It's roof? ;D

The year 1984 called... it wants it's joke back... ;) hehe!
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« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2006, 23:35:25 PM »
The year 1984 called... it wants it's joke back... ;) hehe!

OK Charlie... ;D

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« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2006, 09:28:31 AM »
Today's the day!

Hopefully this swap will go without a hitch and I'll be running again in a couple of days!!!
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« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2006, 09:30:00 AM »
Good luck. If Wayne can do it, anyone can - lol
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« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2006, 09:34:58 AM »
I have a mechanic friend helping me out with the heavy stuff so it should go according to plan... can't wait to swap these camshafts over, like!  :-\

The things I go through for this car... it'd better be worth it in the end!!!
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« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2006, 10:21:36 AM »
We'll, turns out now waynes fixed all the little problems, the car runs bl**dy fast.

I really son't think there is much difference from mine and his.
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« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2006, 17:09:36 PM »
The Haynes manual lies!!!!

Managed to get both engines out and one back in without having to drop subframes or stuff like that! So the hardest part of the job is now done - all I need to do now is swap the exhaust cam so my DIS pack works, time the engine up and fit a new belt and reconnect everything I took off to get the engine out!

Fingers crossed it should all be done by the end of the weeknd! Yay!!!
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« Reply #50 on: November 11, 2006, 19:25:07 PM »
Exhaust put back on (swapped for Magnex cat back stainless), cooling system back in, exhaust cam swapped... been a busy day but the hardest parts are done now!

Timing belt to go on then reconnect all the electrics, change the oil and press "play" and see if she starts!!
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Re: Mondo's Ongoing Engine Saga...!
« Reply #51 on: November 11, 2006, 19:34:47 PM »
Good to see its all gone to plan. Mine didn't.

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« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2006, 19:36:16 PM »
Yeah, I read about that - bad news, fella.

Mine's not done yet but I can't think of a reason why she shouldn't be running by some point tomorrow...
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« Reply #53 on: November 11, 2006, 19:39:37 PM »
Well I managed to refit the redtop and get it running properly within a day.  Its just all the little things after that went wrong for me, cambelt slipping etc. Car light electrics, central locking all playing up.

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« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2006, 22:39:39 PM »
Considering that the only real thing that's been changed is the basic engine itself (all the ancilliaries from the original engine have been put back onto the new one) and that the old one had no engine faults (apart from a lack of oil!  :-[), I have high hopes for her firing up pretty easily...
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« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2006, 22:51:45 PM »
Good luck. This may sound silly now but why didnt you swap the cam belt and cam while the engine was out?
Would have been far easier to get at.
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« Reply #56 on: November 11, 2006, 22:55:00 PM »
Good luck. This may sound silly now but why didnt you swap the cam belt and cam while the engine was out?
Would have been far easier to get at.

Didn't have time to do those whilst the engine was out and, cos it was all done at the side of the road, I had to make sure I had the engine back in the bay before the light / weather got the better of us!

Cambelt will be done first thing tomorrow!
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Re: Mondo's Ongoing Engine Saga...!
« Reply #57 on: November 11, 2006, 23:06:38 PM »
Well I managed to refit the redtop and get it running properly within a day.  Its just all the little things after that went wrong for me, cambelt slipping etc. Car light electrics, central locking all playing up.
Good luck. This may sound silly now but why didnt you swap the cam belt and cam while the engine was out?
Would have been far easier to get at.

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« Reply #58 on: November 12, 2006, 17:59:06 PM »
She turns over!

She fires!

She runs again!!!

No sensor faults, no leaks, no problems!!! Hurrah for me!!!
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Re: Mondo's Ongoing Engine Saga...!
« Reply #59 on: November 15, 2006, 13:53:10 PM »
well done
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Re: Mondo's Ongoing Engine Saga...!
« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2006, 14:05:00 PM »
RESPEK!