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« on: November 19, 2017, 20:06:04 PM »
Hi Everyone,
New to the site, just bought my third calibra. Had a 2L 16V Ecotec, then a SE6 8V and regretted selling it 13 years ago, so have just purchased another SE6.
Looking forward to picking up lots of tips to keep it in great condition.

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Re: New to the site.
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2017, 12:04:58 PM »
Awesome...welcome to the Club....I too have a SE6.....you have one of 43 on the road in the uk.......so you got any issues...?

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Re: New to the site.
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2017, 22:57:36 PM »
Hi Sealeysonic,
Funny you should ask if I have a problem with it. It does have a slight problem I cannot seem to get to the bottom of it. It seems like an intermittent fault. The car is not quite running right, it's a bit lumpy on tickover and doesn't rev right, then cuts out. Seems to rev OK if you can tease it into the high revs. It does seem to be running lean. Starts better with the idle control valve unplugged. I have changed and tried other parts off a car that was running right. What I have changed so far is.
New Bosch Mass air flow meter (mobile mechanic said he thought it was that, but it wasn't that)
Lambda sensor,
Crankshaft position sensor,
New fuel filter, and blew / cleaned out all the fuel lines as there was a lot of perished rubber bits in there.
Reconditioned and different injectors off another 8 valve C20NE engine.
Coil
rotor arm
Distributor cap
idle control valve
throttle position sensor
fuel pressure regulator
Temperature control switch

I have ordered new HT plug leads that came today but they sent the wrong ones so will now have to wait till Friday. If the plug leads doesn't cure it I have a new Bosch Fuel pump which I will try but that's a big job as I have to drop the tank to change it. All the electrics seem OK and the paperclip test shows no faults.

33,000 miles on the clock, been stored for about 14 years.

Any ideas.

Ade.








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Re: New to the site.
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2017, 01:28:10 AM »
Hi CALIBRASE6 andwelcome :D

You certainly qualify as having Calibra fever......as we all have.. ;D..and happy to be still suffering ::)

Well done for all you have done so far......the parts you have replaced may not have cured your problem but you are on the right course.

Your comment about she had been stored for approximately 14 years made me think........storage over a long period can cause condensation inside the fuel tank and can contaminate any fuel left standing in the bottom of the tank.

You haven't said if the car was run periodically during that time or how much new fuel you have put in prior to starting.

What I would personally do is to drop the fuel tank.......drain out and flush it to clean and drain out any sediments that may have accumulated.

I know it seems drastic but at least you can then rule out that end of the fuel chain.

This is sometimes neglected but may sort out any problems now or in the future.

You have certainly grabbed the bull by it's ...."Danglies"...keep us informed.......we are on the way to see the birth of another Iconic beauty.

You an Sealysonic are off on a great adventure......I'm sure Sealysonic will be a good source of like minded enthusiasm and help. 8)

PHHhEEEWWW.....I'm off to bed..........I'm sure the missus put something in my Horlics ..... ;D ;D ::).....ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzz

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Re: New to the site.
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2017, 18:11:21 PM »
Hi, Just a thought, have you checked the timing. I changed a belt once and found it was a bag of nails on start up. Rechecked and found a tooth out, cannot remember which way the tooth was out. Worth a try.

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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2017, 20:20:13 PM »
Hi Turbohead and Jepwee,
Nice to meet you. Thank you for the replies.

The car had been run and moved regularly while in storage. When I collected the car it was running fine and there was virtually no fuel in it so I stopped and put 3/4 of a tank full in to drive home. I did about 50 miles then it developed a small problem like lack of fuel for about 10 seconds and the EML came on and went off. It happened again after another 5 minutes then went again and after another 5 minutes it happened again so I pulled off the motorway and got trailered home by GREENFLAG.

A mobile mechanic (at my house) checked the timing and said it was spot on.

Today I changed the fuel pump / Injector relay and all the HT leads and still no change.

I pressure tested the cylinders and they were all OK so no leaking valves or rings. There doesn't seem to be any holes or splits in any of the hoses so air is not getting sucked in from anywhere.

I can now only think that the fuel pump is not forcing enough fuel through or there is a small electrical fault somewhere.

I have a new bosch fuel pump so may give that a change and check the wiring to it. It does seem to pump out fuel quite well after the filter and just before entering the fuel rail. I connected a pipe at both these points and put the end of the pipe in a plastic bottle and turned the car over for 20 seconds each time, I got a 1/3rd of a litre out at the filter (pipe was fitted on the out flow side of the filter) and just under a 1/3rd at the fuel rail (just before entering the rail). 

It still seems to be lack of fuel.

Any ideas are welcome.

Ade.













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Re: New to the site.
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2017, 22:02:31 PM »
Hi, You seem to have done everything obvious. however have you checked the large flexible pipe that runs from the air filter to the manifold where they can crack between the folds and not easily seen. If you have a in tank pump be beware that the metal cover where the pipes connect can be badly corroded. If they come off OK mark them with tape. Getting back to your problem it could be stale petrol even through you have added new fuel. Also the ignition coil could beginning to fail if the car has been standing a long time as they are susceptible to damp.
 Hope that helps and welcome to the Club.   

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Re: New to the site.
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2017, 10:46:24 AM »
Hello mate....do you have any Fault codes....? as the EML came on....might be "limp home mode" where the engine wont rev very well.....Also as Japwee says...i had a split int the air intake hose after the AFM...it was on the Inside of the bend and i could not se it.

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Re: New to the site.
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2017, 22:39:18 PM »
Hi,

Have thoroughly checked all the hoses and breather pipes. All are clear and no splits or holes anywhere. The coil is a new bosch coil that has been fitted and still no difference. No error codes are showing and fuel is being pumped up to the rail. The car is not starting at all now. I will try and check if there is power to the injectors or if the fuel is getting into the bores.

Ade.

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Re: New to the site.
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2017, 12:50:42 PM »
Another thought crossed my mind

You seem to be pressing all the right buttons so far........... but on the Fuel Filter housing there is a fuel flow direction arrow............obvious ly the fuel must flow in the correct direction to function correctly.

A mechanic once told me he has come across this mistake several times during his 30 year career   ::).....Also I have had running troubles where the culprit turned out to be the Fuel Relay.

I got through 3 new ones that started to give intermittent fuel problems after a short time  >:(.....wether  it was because I got them from EBay and not from Vauxhall: Dealer who knows.....but the final one which I paid nearl double for.....e.g. £16.00......instead of the first 3 at £8:00 each. ::).......has been working ever since.

A friend is going to teach me how to test a relay using a Multimeter.  :)

The word...."Brand New" means sod all to me now........It should be changed to ......" FOOKIN WORKING"  ::)  ;D


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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2017, 21:02:32 PM »
Hi, Real head scratcher this one. I looked again at your thread and you mentioned that you thought that it ran weak and when you unplugged the ICV it seamed to run better. Just for the exercise I unplugged my ICV and the revs dropped almost to a stall. I wonder if you have an air leak somewhere that compensates the loss of air when you unplug the ICV .However you now report that it won't start. As you know there is a whole list of electrics from the immobilizer down wards. It may be worth doing a search on here to see if there is anything in common with your problem that may help.
 Please keep us updated because what ever you find will be a great help to the Club.

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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2017, 23:36:21 PM »
Only thing I could suggest is that if it was run very low on fuel your primary filter may have got clogged with the bits that always collect in the tank. (primary filter is usually a strainer / mesh on the end of the fuel pickup pipe in the tank)
Have you tried seeing if you still have good fuel flow now that it wont start?
It may be that you still have flow but not enough pressure.
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Re: New to the site.
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2017, 14:55:48 PM »
Hi,
 Any update on the problems you were having?
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Re: New to the site.
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2017, 20:41:18 PM »
Hi Everyone,
Finally found the fault on the calibra, The last job I wanted to do was to drop the fuel tank and change the pump as it is an internal pump and the tank was 3/4 full of fuel. I had brought a new pump several weeks ago as I had an inkling it was a fuel problem. It turns out it was not the pump, but the pipe from the pump to the connector which transfers fuel from inside the tank to outside the tank. It was badly perished and split. So it was allowing fuel to get out of the tank as normal but when under pressure the fuel was coming out of the split part of the pipe and back into the tank. Luckily Halfords had some fuel pipe in and I brought a large selection of fuel clips to put everything back together.
The good thing about it is most of the other parts have been replaced and I now have a good knowledge of the engine and how to work on it.
Thanks everyone for all your input and hopefully someone who has the same sort of symptoms might find this useful.

Ade.


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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2017, 10:54:11 AM »
Hi, Thanks for sharing the outcome of your problem and 10/10 for perseverance. I did hear of a problem such as yours with everybody pulling there hair out until they realized someone had put Diesel in the tank. Cosmic.

 Cheers