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Mobile Speed Camera's - how to beat the ticket
« on: June 24, 2019, 21:07:46 PM »
Heads up for Calibra drivers for avoiding 3 points/fine/stupid course.

Long time ago in a Galaxy Far Far Away - Nottinghamshire two years ago I got clocked by a civvy in a Police Camera Van who alleged I was speeding in a 30mph zone. Photo of said offence, black and white posted through my door asking for details of the driver.

Bang to rights, fair cop guv, throw away the key....er......no. Ignored the "request" to incriminate myself but did do one thing.....(later). Over a month later, another "demand" comes through the post, more threats etc etc. This time I replied.

I gave a statement, a very long one and extremely detailed - tediously so because you only have one chance of putting your side of the story as you cannot add to it later (because they will just ignore it - the courts etc standard practice, not the law but the procedure)

After I had received the first demand, I had gone to the "scene of the crime" and photographed where the Mobile Camera Van had been "parked". The crime had actually been committed by the Mobile Camera Van first, before I had allegedly committed my "crime".

What had happened is that the Mobile Speed Camera Van had drove across a pavement to hide behind a railway bridge and still had two wheels resting on the pavement and two on the grass verge. the photographs still showed the imprint from the wheels in the dirt of the pavement and the grass verge (it was popular speed camera van haunt).

Under the Highways Act of 1835 it is illegal to drive onto a pedestrian pavement in a carriage vehicle of any type.

Under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, a police officer (or deputy, let alone a civilian police worker ) cannot break the law in order to obtain evidence of others breaking the law (simply put).

So the next time you get clocked by a speed camera van, take note of it's position - I have seen them on the verge of the other side of a solid white line - illegal, obstructing a highway - illegal, blocking access to land - illegal, parked to close to a junction - illegal. engine running while driver is in passenger seat - illegal, parked the wrong way around on one side of a dual carriageway - illegal, parked on the verge of a highway in an non emergency - illegal, mounting a kerb - illegal.

Basically, if the Mobile Camera Van is not in a parking lay by, it is illegally parked or driven there and no ticket issued is valid and as the Chief Constable is the one is always on the bottom of the summons - you can rightly complain under the Police Complaints Procedure of his inept abilities in applying basic law that has been around since 1835. Sometimes the Police may want to hassle you for getting off which has happened to me - but they just get another complaint through which means the Chief Constable loses even more bonus, then they leave you alone. Be prepared for them to cancel your hearing at no notice when you turn up for spite and being clever. :D

Two government web pages with the relevant laws.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Will4/5-6/50/section/LXXII/enacted
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/60/contents

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Re: Mobile Speed Camera's - how to beat the ticket
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2019, 06:28:23 AM »
I remember many years ago being in a group receiving onsite safety inductance training which then was over 2 separate days. As young blokes this was a PITA which nobody really took all that seriously, and I can recall the safety officer struggling to get us to appreciate the dangers of the work and importance of his message. Yes we were an unruly bunch come to think of it...

On the morning of the second day the group gathered and the instructor began by recounting the events of the previous evening. Mobile speed radar had just commenced here in Oz and while on his way home along a stretch of freeway he was pulled up by a highway patrol vehicle and issued a ticket for $98 for alleged speeding. After issuing the ticket and the officer having 'performed' his duty informing the driver of his rights and legal options then returned to his patrol car. The safety officer then donned his hi-res vest and approached the patrol car, showed the officer his I.D and informed the officer that as he had failed to put on his own hi-res vest, that he would be issued with a fine of $1800 of his own.

Well after the you-know-what hit the fan the officers superior called Worksafe wanting the fine remitted. But Worksafe stood their ground.

Sometime later we learned that the situation got nasty with the senior officer saying that a hat would be passed around the station and the fine's impact reduced as a result. After gathering the necessary evidence, Worksafe then issued the senior officer with a summons to appear in a local court charged with failing to implement proper Worksafe practice within his own workplace.

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Re: Mobile Speed Camera's - how to beat the ticket
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2019, 22:33:18 PM »
Hi all

I wish I had known all of this about eight years ago when I fell foul of Mr plod........the modern day  Dick Turpin that blights our lives and wallets'

In Newport Gwent Near the Royal Gwent Hospital there is a Park with Iron gates set back from the road with a pedestrian pavement. The main road that it is on is 4 lanes wide with a few houses  and  would visually fool a diver into thinking the speed limit was 40mph....but the actual speed limit is 30mph.   My wife and daughter were in the car at the time and we had just gone around a small roundabout where 100 yards ahead was the park gates.

I knew that there was a speed camera van usually parked in the parks gateway hidden from view to drivers pulling away from the roundabout and heading past the site where the police speed camera van was lying in wait. I was just cumming  level with the park gates when the dreaded police camera van sprung into view......I checked my speed and I was bang on 30mph when suddenly another car zoomed passed me.......he must have been doing 35 to 40mph as we were bothe in line with the speed camera van.

Got home and couple of days after a love letter from you know who......yes Dick Turpin demanding pay a £30.00 fine with 3 points or go to court and contest it and you may be given a higher penalty.........dam Barstewards!!!!  At that time I had no Idea if you could argue it out with the cops because they said they had photographic evidence.

Since that day I was convinced it was the car in the other lane passing me had triggered the camera and that caught both of us in the frame just when we lined up passing the speed van site.   After the event I was told by loads of friends that I should have asked to see the photo and argued my case.

I have never been so humiliated in my life and have always been a safe driver....even more so when her indoors is in the car.....Nag Nag Nag would have been the response from my wife and the nagging when I paid the fine was even worse.

What do you think I should have done......I wish I could have turned back the clock...is there no justice left.

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Re: Mobile Speed Camera's - how to beat the ticket
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2019, 21:27:27 PM »
The Police (and others i.e. debt collectors) always try to intimidate you into not complaining and coughing up - because it works most of the time, however if you have a doubt - and your situation looks like it - you have a right can demand answers.

I am not anti - police but I am anti tax collection through deliberate manipulation, and I have crossed swords with them a few times - once ending up with a Police Complaint upheld against the Met. again over traffic laws and procedures. But I also do my community bit and there a few low lifes who wished they had never moved near me.

The reason I wrote the post is that only the other day I was Radar Gunned in a 30mph zone by a Police Patrol car which had managed to park his patrol car, one wheel on pavement, the other one on someones access road and the other two on the road on the corner of a junction. A hat trick of illegals - it was not an emergency and it is was not unavoidable police business - just sheer laziness and dangerous parking.

I complained one time about a Mobile Police Van in Doncaster which was parked on the pavement with all four wheels. The guy running the "camera team" was stupid enough to put in an email in writing that they had an understanding with the local council that they wouldn't be prosecuted for parking on the pavements - a full admission of deliberate law breaking whilst prosecuting others for breaking a different law, since when has an Act of Law been negotiable between the Council and the Police?  - I am keeping that one for a South Yorkshire get out of jail card.

Lastly, if you run across a Mobile Camera Van,  park behind it, get out and lift the tailgate of your Calibra and put a coat or rug under the rear wiper to block the view of the Mobile Camera in the Van - perfectly legal, they will disappear eventually without saying a word. :D


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Re: Mobile Speed Camera's - how to beat the ticket
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2019, 22:31:00 PM »
I love the last bit of your post i.e. Park behind the van and open your tailgate Lol

Some police officers think they can park wherever because they are on police buisines but you joe public can not.

I will not take a ticket for speeding a few miles over a 30mph limit lying down ever again.  When other tossers deliberate drive at high speed past schools etc.......they are the real As.h..les who should be given the harshest punishment.

Has any other Cc member fallen foul and have a gripe to share.  Let us have a debate with tips on how to conduct ourself .....do we refuse to pay.......do we phone a Solicitor or take on the bill with guns blazing???

I saw an elderly man sobbing and telling the clerk who receives the paid fine that he has been driving without incident for 30 odd years that he has never had any blemisheses to his driving record until now.

Shame on Council extortion......Shame on the Government etc etc.